Thank you to Brenda for writing up the meeting notes.
A very Happy Christmas and New Year to all our friends and members.
We put the arrangements on place for the WW1 coffee morning in the church on Sat. 10th at 10:30 am. We meet to set up about 9:30 am. Cakes etc would be most welcome, thank you. The funds raised will be on behalf of the Poppy Appeal.
You are welcome to come over to the farm on Thursday 8th at 2:30pm to put our display on the boards.
Bob told us about an Australia medal for the injured, when collecting medals, you must be aware of the fakes put out for sell. The discussion moved to the fake art and antique markets, some medals are sold with the wrong ribbons.
Hugh continues with his work on the History of Plymouth Argyle, the memorabilia is getting
memorable pricy, this was followed by some football rivalry!! He is working on the social history around the football league in the 1880s, the northern teams paid their players, these were often factory teams, but not in the south, football was much more dominate in the North. The Thames Ironworks supported the “Hammers”, West Ham. The local church also was involved in some teams.
During the war there were women’s teams from the shell factories, but in December 1921 the FA cited strong opinions about football's unsuitability for females. It called on clubs belonging to the associations "to refuse the use of their grounds for such matches". The ban changed the course of the women's game forever.
Jackie has loaned her families’ war medals to the school. The school is making a brilliant effort in commemorating the WW1 100 years.
Sam has War memories from his family, there is a sweet heart photo of a dead soldier, name unknown, the lady remained single, lived in India and worked as a post mistress.
Val mentioned Frank’s fathers war medals and asked how to preserve a war time telegram
Geoff advised that she persevere the telegram in acid proof paper.
Geoff told us about archiving in the Record Office by tell us what’s not allowed in the record office, pens, metal staples, metal treasury tags and Sellotape. Paper is never folded but rolled and stored in linen bags.
He is recording a collection of Theatre programs with staples left which will be left in. The Theatre fire’s listing of an auction catalogue of contents. The Savoy Cinema was in London Inn square where Waterstones now stands in Exeter. . In some cases the Sellotape can be removed and replaced with preservation tape. The Touring Players theatre programs were often just single sheets due to paper shortages of 1951.
Beware old wax seals can explode!!! Jenny has some large velum parchments which could be framed to preserve them, the wax seals could be placed in a container.
Geoff met Jo Davey, she is nee Broadhurst and is related to Geoff. Nice coincidence.
Alan found some notes on the Clapperentale Mill in the current Tale Valley Trust Newsletter, there are some ideas of getting it back to working order. It was worked from a leat taking water from the River Tale. The article notes is was a powerful mill, used for farm tasks, animal feed etc and a sawmill.
Brenda mentioned that the railways enable the followers offootball to travel futher to matches. In 1895 Bolton Wanders on a Monday drew huge 8,000 crowd.
In 1908 played Exeter v Plymouth for the first time.
Jenny Elizabeth Thoroughgood, a keen costume historian, has given her some costumes to stage some living history Tudor times talks for a display at the 2019 Fun Day, along with some Bunting. Jenny and George went to a talk hosted by Todd Gray with Professor Mark Stoyle about the history of the underground passages and life in Exeter in Medieval times.
David mentioned that his son Charles cleared a house. The solicitor arrived with a Tesco’s bag, and in the bag was hand grenade, this was shut it in safe, and the authorities were called, many Blue lights, along with the bomb squad, TV camera crews all turned up to Southernhay. The bomb expert checked the bag and declared the grenade to be safe as it had be used!!
Thank you all for a meeting full of interest and poignant memories of the war.
We next meet in the Nog Inn on Thursday 6th December at 8 pm.
On behalf of Feniton History Group
I would like thank everyone
for supporting our coffee morning 10th Nov.
We raised £164.20 for the RBL Poppy Appleal
Feniton History Group
you to join them for a
Coffee Morning to commemorate
the Remembrance Weekend
in St Andrew’s Church
on Saturday 10th November 2018
10:30 am to 12:30
There will be a display of our
War History relating to
All funds raised go to
The Poppy Appeal
To mark the 100 years since the end of WW1 we will arrange a coffee morning in aid of the Poppy Appeal on Saturday 10th Nov. 10:30 onwards. The display boards will go up on Friday 9th with our war research. Will sort out a meeting at the farm to sort the display at the next meeting. We will need cakes etc to offer our guests.
David has been working on transcribing Brenda’s details of the Feniton men’s club. The members used the Parr Rooms. David read us some snippets from the records.
It was open to members in the winter months, the secretary to buy faggot wood and a battery for the light over the snooker table. There was a gift of a cabinet gramophone. In 1945, the Agricultural Unions meeting caused a problem for the rooms as no political meetings to be held. The Home Guard also used the rooms. Mr Granger of Fenny Bridges garage supplies the battery at 30/- in 1945.
The costs of the running of the club is detailed, the lighting was paid for by the Aclands
1947 playing with the large balls the small balls being damaged. It was noted that there was not enough water in the river for the power. In 1951 the Selways band played. A letter of complaint was received from Mrs Acland saying that the toilets provided were not being used!!
Geoff told us all the papers of the 6th Earl Fortescue have survived. He born at Castle Hill in North Devon. During the war General Sir Redvers Buller’s daughter pestered him for the war effort.
Pike Ward was fishing in Iceland 1903. He was from Teignmouth. He lived a very basic life on Iceland.
Brenda’ s brother now has an interest in the family history and took her to visit family gravestones. This is the Cayzer family known for the Clan shipping line from Bombay to Glasgow. The graves had slate headstones with very good legible carving.
Alan tells a steam train in Southampton in 1930 was called Clan Line:
George had us talking about spelling through the years.
Alan mentioned the WW2 incidence when the newspaper train from Waterloo 4:30am going through Feniton was shot up at Fenny Bridges. The enemy aircraft killed the fireman and disabled the train. The papers were holed by machine guns 1940s.
Jenny is busy sorting out the battle filming and documenting the event.
Bob told us about the badges issued to workers in reserved occupations in dock yards to prevent them being plagued by people giving out white feathers as a sign of cowardice.
You have to be careful when looking to buy medals as they may have the wrong ribbons on.
Thank you all for another interesting evening. We meet in the Nog Inn on Thurs. 1st Nov.
It was lovely to see so many join us for the evening. Thank you.
It was confirmed that we will put up our WW1 and WW2 display in the church for the commemoration of the 100 years since the end of WW1 over the weekend of 11th Nov. 2018. We would like to follow the service with a coffee morning or on the Saturday, this will depend on what the Church would like us to do.
Progress is being made with replacement of the boundary stone. I have submitted the quote from A. Real to Feniton PC, we await news of the DCC funding application. It is not permitted to replace the stone on the actual boundary line. It will be put by the FPC Oak Tree and plaque between Tool Gate Corner and Campfield Gate. I will investigate obtaining a QR code to be put on the stone, this will enable folk with smart phones to scan the code, this will take them to a website where the history of the boundary can be set out and read. I will also ask if the history file can be put up on the FPC website.
Something that slipped my mind at the meeting, the plans to hold a “Heritage Weekend” following the publishing of the idea on Facebook and in the parish magazine, sadly, not one response has been received, very disappointing. We may get some interest at the next meeting, I hope.
Brenda related about the Payhembury mole catcher, he was called “Gas Lamp”, this came about as he had a carbide lamp on his bike!!Someone remembers putting carbide in the inkwells on the school desk!! .
The village have taken part in the filming of the 1549 battle for a production company, the producer Stefano has been working the villagers, led by Jenny. Jenny brought along the still photos from the filming day, our villagers seem to all enjoy a good fight, hanging and drawing and quartering!! There were murders behind the trees, the banner was magnificent, cutting of throats and a charge to the rout. Filming took place in Ottery church in the lady chapel.
Terry told us about WW1 bomb factory explosion at Attenborough. This link gives more detail:
Sam is working on the archaeology of Fingle Bridge Mill. The dig has found the working floor. The mill was burnt down. The mill stones are of a rough ugly stone from France.
The NT website:
Geoff is working on a model of the farm mentioned in Flora Thompson’s book, “Larkrise to Candleford”. He is looking to find a set of steam ploughing engines at work. The next ploughing match I know of where steam ploughing will take place is the National Ploughing Match
Peter then rounded the evening of with his memories of life during the Second World War.
His full name is Ernest Wilhelm Peters, but his Mother called him Peter. He was born in Stettin in East Germany, now Szczecin in Poland. He arrived in the UK as a prisoner of war in 1946 from Belgium.
Peter tells us he had a good childhood with street fights, he enjoyed the parades and marched after the band. When Hitter came to power the school teachers disappeared, they were Jewish.
His father was a red, Peter brought up to be a socialist, Germany was wonderful with the new changes. He was 12 years old when the Kristallnacht and the Progrom against the Jews, the Synagogue was burnt. Children were part of the Hitler Youth with indoctrination of laws and crafts, tree identification, military skills etc. aged 14 Peter moved on to youth branch of the air sea signals motor branch, he was riding a BMW motorbike.
When in 1939 war was declared the children were sent home to hear Hitler talk on radio for a 2 hour program on the invasion of Poland. Peter was placed in the Engineering School for sea submarine be a teacher. He wore a uniform.
He was with the Battery of air craft guns, the teachers had to assemble the guns. He taught how to use search light on the battery.
Volunteer for the forces were called up to labour service. Peter was told to report t to the infantry gunner, he arrived late and was sent up to the sergeant major. The training was hard, he also had to help control riots and shootings in his own town.
He was with the army at the River Elbe. Soviet and American troops met here, near Torgau in Germany. In a prank Peter stole some chocolate, but it turned out to be shaving soap!!
There were four zones in Germany, Peter made it back to Cologne and became a switch board operator. He was then posted as a medical orderly. Fuel was very scarce. He was then sent back to POW camp for discharge on to a Belgium war camp, no work, no food, then sent to Scotland. The camp had no wire good time playing football. Peter went to see “White Horse Inn “ the men chased after the “girl” actors, only to find them to be men!! Following this he was sent out to work on local farms.
Thank you all for a very interesting evening, I hope my notes are a good copy!!
Feniton History Group are discussing the possibility of holding a Heritage event in the village. Thinking that September 2019 would a suitable time to hold it. The last event in this form was held in September 2008. This led to the History Group being set up.
Would you be interested in being a part of this? We will need a co-ordinator to take the lead on this. Please join us in the Nog Inn at 8pm on Thursday 4th October.