Feniton History Group 51st Meeting

I hope you all enjoyed our ad hoc evening! I know I did.

We discussed the vexation of the 1991 census population being just for the "new village", so of no use to man nor beast.

WW1. The research is ongoing for more on the Home Front.
I have made a list of the men killed and will ask Rev.  Cate to read his name on the Sunday nearest the death 100 years later.  The name and short biography can be put on the blog and in the parish magazine, if Brenda and Val agree.

The Parish Council discussed have a Belgian refugee family, but it is not recorded if this actually took place.
October 23rd 1914   Several ladies have started a movement to house a Belgian family in the village. It was proposed by Dr Hart that a ‘family of not more than 5, of the agricultural class, be brought and entertained as long as the war lasts’.
Brenda told us how she read the Parish Council Minutes Books and made notes of interesting  items before they were placed in the Devon Record Office. It seems the ones from the late 1950s are missing. May have been lost or in the home of the parish clerk of the time. My late father in law was the clerk at that time, and sadly I have not seen books in the papers here.

Alan and Brenda told about the plans for a bridge over the rail crossing, the parish council had received so many complaints about the delays with the gates, one plan was to raise a bridge from Sherwood across to the Talaton Road, but as we know nothing came of this.

David has taken on the task of finding out about a stone marker for the Feniton Ottery Boundary. Rogation Sunday is 10th May 2015.

We had a natter about the early days of research in the Record Office, looking and the census films and even the original parish registers, Brenda would nip in there during her lunch break at work. I went in most Tuesdays with Mum in Law and we ploughed through these for days before we could draw up the family tree, now you, if your luck whizz through a few generations in a matter of hours.
I asked the group to consider what projects we would like to carry out, George and I would like to make more regular visits to Honiton Museum, the village book is something we need to put in hand, and the Pulman's weekly paper which is in Taunton Record Office, any idea for public events would be welcome.
Tony aided a discussion on language and names how did the early Devon tribes know they were the Dumnonii, and also words like Avon which is taken to mean river. Ton being town. Wikipedia has more on this.

Jenny showed us the poster she has designed for the Deer Park  Hotel, relating the Battle of Fenny Bridges. It is wonderful to see this little know event documented and recognised.

Tony told how the Exeter Football WW1 play went, it was a shame it was highlighted as football when really it was more about Exeter's history of the time. He also told us how useful the WEA course in Bradninch House Exeter is, free admission.
Jenny asked about computer software for recording family research, so I will plan a session here once harvest is done.

David and Roger have located a document mentioning the village in the National Archives. It gives the village on two lines, when I would think it should be one:
Fenyton, Gilbert Collyns dep. for John Pringe.
Maleherbe, Gilbert Collyns dep. for John Pringe.

We must thank Roger for all his tenacity in searching online for the village. It is wonderful to add to our notes and expand on events. I will share these with you when you come to the house.
One of the snippets Roger gleaned relates to a footbridge at Fenny Bridges 1856, Sir John Kennaway  mentions the dispute as to who is liable for it's repair, but it was the County's and repair was ordered.

Thank you all, it was a good evening.

WW1 Service 3 Aug 2014

Just a note to thank everyone for making the church display such a success. I was told how  much it meant to many whose Grandfathers and Uncles had served in the War. The common phrase I heard today, was "they never spoke of it at home" Also thank you to the Reverend Cate and the church team.

WW1 Service of Commemeration

St Andrew's Church Feniton are holding a WW1 Commemoration Service at 11am on 3rd August 2014 We would like to invite anyone with connection to the village and the men who served in the War.

Feniton History Group will put  up a display of our fallen soldiers and life on the Home Front.


Just a note to thank everyone who helped with the display boards last week, put my mind at rest to know it is nearly done.

The plan will be from now and  throughout  the 4 years of the Centenary will be to mark the 100 year death of each man we have record of.

The time of putting the display on Saturday  2nd August has changed from the afternoon to late morning, as many of the group will be at the Hearing Dogs Coffee Morning. So that will save two trips down to the church.

Feniton History Group 50th Meeting

David asked for our help with the WW1 Commemoration Service to be held at 11am on Sunday 3rd August.
This was agreed. If anyone has anything to help with the board display that would be much appreciated. Can you help with putting up the display please on Saturday 2nd at 2:30 ?
Brenda mentioned that Ottery Heritage will have a WW1 exhibition in the Old Boys School from the 15th to 20th July.

George told us about his experience of walking the parish boundary, with a view to hold a beating of the bounds event next April at Rogationtide, 25th April. He explained that in parts it is a difficult walk and the lanes make it rather unsafe, also the distance is more than many could manage in a day. So it was decided to plan a walk from the Pumping Station in Campfield, up to Tower Hill, down to the River Tale and along to Talewater and back to the village by the Talaton Road. Thank you George for all the effort you have taken.
George is a keen walker and will put the parish on the map for other Geocachers to follow.
I have contacted Ottery Heritage who are very keen to be involved.

Following my finding a mention of Hayes Manor, partly in Feniton and partly Talaton it is thought to take in  the area of Talewater. The Wright family farmed Talewater Farm and are mentioned in some deeds along with the name Radcliffe. There is Radcliffe House on the right between Talaton and Clyst Hydon at Aunke, but the current house is too late to be linked to the Hayes Manor? Another name in the deeds is English. The Manor was sold to Sir George Yonge, then to the Kennaways and became part of the Escot estate.
Thank you Roger for your help is looking this up. Alan tells us he came across mentions of it in Mr. Yates files in Honiton Museum, so must pop in there and check it.

With Jo we looked at the Tithe map to find mentions of field names and the Drang Path her relative mentions in his notes on Feniton History. The Drang path must have ran through Feniton Court to Sowton on the Buckerell road. Thank you Jo that was an interesting exercise.

David told us about a contact he has had from someone asking about the Rumbold family from Colestocks, sadly the headstone in the churchyard has been defaced and it is intriguing as to why.   It looks like it was deliberately done and not just random vandalism. 

Next meeting on Thursday 7th August in the Nog Inn. 

Feniton History Group 49th Meeting

Feniton History Group held the 49th Meeting in the Nog Inn

The topic was the ancient boundary between the village and Ottery St. Mary. This was highlighted during the Planning inquiry. There is a general consensus that in light of the history  it would be beneficial to the heritage of the area to mark this in some way.

I raised the point at last night's Parish Council  meeting and it received full support. We will need to find funding and the form it would take. The Chairman also pointed out we would need permission of the land owner and select a suitable place for it.  

At our meeting I suggested we could hold a "Beating of the Bounds" event in Feniton. This web link gives a plan on how to hold the ceremony: http://www.farmingmatters.org.uk/seasons/ben.html

The village boundaries hold a very important detail for the villages to know where these lines ran before mapping became established. Some villages hold the event on Rogationtide  25th April or Ascension Day 29th May.

This website gives the history of the event: http://www.strangebritain.co.uk/traditions/bounds.html
It seems we need to take the choir boys with us and gently beat their heads on each tree, stone or marker on the way round to engrain the youngsters with the memory of the village boundary!

George has kindly checked out the lay of the route around the village on his mapping software and estimates it to be some 14.6 kilometres = about 9 miles and if we kept to the roads and footpaths rather than crossing private land it would extend to 18 kilometres = about 11 miles!

Thinking of various boundaries, Brenda related that the old privy at Yellinghams Farm is over the boundary between Feniton and Payhembury, so when the wedding banns were read the bride sat there so to be in the right parish! It was also mentioned that a pub on the Wales \ England boarder had to close  the bar on the Welsh side on a Sunday, whereas the English side could open.

Should we go ahead with the event we should involve our neighbouring parishes.

Somehow Geoff and I started to reminisce about the Portsdown Hills and Harry Pounds Scrapyard!!! I knew the area well as a child, as did Geoff from family holidays there. We also discussed with the Admiralty Telegraph Station was still there. This website has the details:

Jenny mentioned a Vicar from Broadhembury who ended up in jail, Mr Josiah Bangor. This was due to the Five Mile Act (1665), Acts were intended to stop office-holding by dissenters. The Acts made it unlawful for more than five people aged 16 and over, besides the household, to ‘be present at any Assembly.

The BBC have shown a local program about worker's strikes taking place during WW1, and we all were surprised that this had happened in war time. This led toa natter about the cost of living and the wages we were paid in our first jobs. 

The WW1 research is nearly complete, and now we need to work out the form of the display, this will take place in the Church over the Nov 11th Rememeberancetide, with a coffee morning. This to be agreed with Rev Cate and the Churchwardens.

Talaton are having a WW1 Exhibition ‘Lest We Forget’, Sat12th July 2014 12noon - 8pm in the Church of St James the Great, Talaton.

Tony told us about the Community Play he is involved with. Based on Exeter Football Club, "The Day we Played   Brazil".  This is from the website: http://thedayweplayedbrazil.com/about/
The Day we Played Brazil will celebrate the 100th anniversary of the football match between Exeter City and the Brazil national team – the first-ever game played by Brazil. The play is based on the extraordinary true story of Exeter City FC’s tour to South America in 1914. Chosen by the Football Association as a typical British football club they became the first side in history to play the Brazilian national football team and in so doing not only made history themselves but also founded possibly the greatest force in world football.

The next meeting will be the 3rd July.